done for the v.a. but i disagreed with john mccain on many things. but that does not mean i don't respect him. i respect him. but i disagreed with him on a lot of things and i think time has proven me right to a large extent. >> reporter: thank you mr. president. earlier in the statement that you read before questions, you spoke about how you believe that as you put it we are rounding the corner on the coronavirus pandemic. >> yeah. >> reporter: yesterday as well. and i think everybody would love to see the pandemic come to an end. no doubt about that. i wanted to ask you about a forecast that has come out at the university of washington. they were forecasting that by january the 1st of next year we will have 410,000 american deaths from coronavirus, 225,000 from where we are right now. so can you explain how you see us rounding the corner based on

that projection? >> if i did not close up our country. if i did not stop china highly infected from coming and europe far sooner than anybody else, including dr. fauci and others wanted to. dr. fauci was nice. he said president trump made a great decision. we would have far more than that. maybe more importantly if i did not close up we would have instead of the number you mentioned, about 180. we would have perhaps 1 1/2 to 2 million deaths right now if i went a different direction. i decided to not do it. we would have it million deaths. a lot of countries don't report their deaths. china is not reporting. china had far more deaths than we did in my opinion. they don't report their deaths. i don't want to embarrass other countries.

but other countries the death toll is far higher than the united states but they don't report deaths. we report to a level that nobody reports it. we also do testing. cases. i watch your broadcasts and i read your information and media outlets very, very carefully and i look at the word cases. i say it 100 times. nobody wants to pick it up. we do testing at a level nobody dreamed possible. we have the best and the most tests. india, they are number two. they have done a good job. they are about 40 million tests behind us and a country of 1.5 billion people. because of all of the tests we have far more cases. if we cut our cases in half. if we cut the testing in half we would have half the number of cases. there are some countries that don't test.

they test when someone walks into the hospital. they are sick. that is your test. we have tested more and better and you can see where we now have millions of tests coming in from a certain company that has done a fantastic job and it will be 5 to 15 minutes on the spot, very accurate test. if we had much less testing or no testing you would not be reporting cases. i don't want to go over the statistic. you wrote it down. you can see how we are doing compared to the rest of the world and out in new york with the amount of people that died. >> reporter: it is still a part of the united states, new york is. new york in particular, and i

appreciated the governor cuomo saying i have done a phenomenal job. he said bad things too. if you took out new york from those numbers, you can multiply our tremendous success by a lot. but look, the bottom line is that the job that we have done on covid-19, the china virus. china plague. call it whatever you want. it has been incredible. we also helped a lot of other countries, especially with ventilators. now we build ventilators at a level nobody ever thought possible. if we didn't do what i said we would be at 2 million deaths. i had a choice to make. if we made the wrong choice, the

number you have which is less than other countries. the other countries don't report deaths. they are not accurate. you know that and so do i. you take a look at some of the things happening in certain other very large countries. first of all, we are a very large country. you look at things happening with the respect to reporting of deaths in other countries. i say give me a break. it has been amazing. but we made some moves at the beginning. china, big. europe, big. the biggest of all was closing it down. understanding the disease, and we did. now we know it is especially elderly if they have heart, diabetes and they have problems. we are watching it very closely and we are doing super testing with respect to that. super testing. if we did it a different way instead of the number you said.

the number we are at now is approximately 180,000. we would be at 2 million people or higher than that. >> reporter: -- >> we have our vaccine. our vaccine, i think it is going to be the standard. these companies are incredible. they have come up with great vaccines over the years. that is the vaccine that probably most of the people in this room will want to take. >> quick clarification on my question. the $300 billion is that from the main street lending program? >> it is sitting in an account. it hasn't been spent. we are willing to spend it. i would like to get approval from congress. there is a theory i don't have to do that but i would like to be up front and let it go directly to the people. it is more stimulus than we are asking for in terms of pure

stimulus. i would not have to let prisoners go, very evil prisoners go. think of it, the democrats, in order to get what they want and in order to give us what we want, they are talking about allowing prisoners to be released. prisoners we don't want to be released. so in order that we get money to the american people, they want to say release prisoners and other things like that, that are very bad. we can't do that. we don't want to do that. >> i know you spoke earlier about the atlanta story and we referenced a number of officials that came out. >> we have 11 people. i was just told we have 11 people. there is nobody that feels more strongly about our soldiers, our wounded warriors, our soldiers that died in war than i do. it is a hoax. just like want fake dossier was a hoax. just like the russia, russia,

russia was a total hoax. just like a total collusion. it is a hoax. you will hear more of these things, totally unrelated as we get closer and closer to election. the magazine is a failing magazine. nobody called me. nobody called me from the magazine to say do you have a comment about it. they write whatever you want to write. they figure they can't get sued. it is very hard but we have many witnesses. it is a total and a continuation of the witch hunt so that it can affect the election. whether it is the fake dossier that turned out to be a total fraud or so many other things have turned out. i have been under investigation since before i have been elected.

these people have gone after me more than any other president in the history of the united states, and it is a shame. despite that we have done more in the first three and a half years than any other administration. no administration has done more. despite all of the horrible political games that have been played. but there is nobody that has been able to do what i have done. and that includes the great mission act. because what obama passed was a joke. it was a joke. and we took it to a level that nobody thought possible. that includes accountability. it is a disgrace that somebody is allowed to write things like that. a lot of the time sources are not sources that don't exist. sometimes they are people that are disgruntled former so-called employees. >> the notable voice that has been missing is your former chief of staff who was involved

in this. how are we supposed to react to that. >> i know john kelly. didn't do a good job and he was exhausted. this man was totally exhausted. he wasn't even able to function in the last number of months. he was sort of a tough guy. but the time he got eaten up in this world. it is a different world than he is used to. he was unable to function. i said john you have to go. please give me a letter of resignation and he did that. there are people that are jealous and upset they are not here anymore. we have done an incredible job. i don't know that it was him. i see anonymous but it could have been a guy like a john

kelly. he was a very -- you look at some of his news conferences. he was unable to handle the pressure of this job. this job was a tough job. mark meadows is doing a great job but kelly was unable to do that. as fares that day, i mean we have so much proof. i went to paris. all set to go. they had the rainstorm the likes you rarely see. the fog was so great, it is as dense as i ever have seen. i almost knew you couldn't use the helicopter. i guess they had to drive through certain parts of paris, the secret service, and we have people here that were on the trip. they are writing a report. unable to even think about it. i said i want to go. i insist on going. it would have taken us forever.

paris police said please don't do this. and it just was not a possible situation. helicopter would have been very quick. they had it set but it could never fly in that kind of weather. and that is all documented by the way. we have all of the information and probably will release that information. but i think it is a shame when a second rate magazine. i don't read it. when a second rate magazine can write things like that about somebody that has done so much for the military, can write things like that and get away with it where you actually ask questions on it. you should be ashamed of yourself. i watched the interview with sleepy joe biden. he didn't ask questions. read the questions. they were like meant for a child. those questions were meant for a child. smiles on faces of reporters.

not like you and you. there were smiles on the reporters' faces. take a look at the questions they asked him. they were not meant for a grown up. they were meant for a child. i just want to tell you that it is a disgrace. you look at what i have done for the united states military. i have gotten them pay raise tws and i rebuilt $2.5 trillion and rebuilt the united states military and now we are including space force. nobody has done more for them. when i have to have a report read like that from a third rate magazine that is not going to be in business much longer. it is a disgrace. i watch biden getting asked questions that are really meant for a child to answer. anybody could answer. and i look at the level of question you people ask. it is disgraceful.

i want to thank you all very much. we appreciate it. we are doing very well. we are very, very proud of what has happened with respect to the economy, and i think that before the election you are going to see a third quarter announced that will be at a level our country has never seen before. next year we are going to have a year that was better than last year and i feel certain that it will be better than last year. it will be the greatest year we have had. and the whole reason it is working out this way is because we set a foundation for this country like we have never had before. so next year will be a fantastic year. remember, the third quarter was going to be announced prior to the election by a few days and i think it will be record-setting type numbers on gdp and others. >> that was the president there angerly denying the report in

the atlantic that he referred to wounded and dead u.s. service members as losers and suckers and seemed to be saying john kelly was one of the sources in the article and referred to general kelly as someone exhausted by the time he finished in his role as chief of staff at the white house and didn't do a good job according to the president. we will see if general kelly speaks about all of this. first let me go over to caitlyn collins at the white house. the president was fired up about that atlantic article. >> yes, he was. what he said about john kelly was notable. the way he talked about him as he left his chief of staff job. he is a retired four-star marine general, went to combat. the president was saying he couldn't handle the chief of staff position and that he was exhausted by the time he left the job and the president going off on john kelly saying he doesn't know if he were the

source of the story but it could have been a john kelly-type figure. as you saw there he was asked by bloomberg why had john kelly had been one of the officials that hasn't come out to say anything about the story. there was a story about the president going with john kelly to arlington cemetery. a comment that the president made there. it will be interesting to see if john kelly does respond to the president. we have seen him speaking out privately. but something i want to note is that this is the first time the president has been asked about the poisoning of the russian opposition figure. the president said he hasn't seen the evidence to say he was poisoned and that comes after yesterday germany and other nato

allies said they determined it was a soviet style nerve agent he has been poisoned with. the nato general secretary said proof beyond a doubt that he was poisoned. instead of the president saying they would condemn russia but said he would be angry but very cautious and said he wants to see evidence and chastised reporters for asking about russia and not asking about china. >> another muted response from the president on an act of russian aggression here going after one of its own. one of its own. gloria, what stood out to you? >> just to follow up, obviously the way that he took after his former chief of staff john kelly.

calling the atlantic piece a hoax. theying that we have 11 people. i guess they are putting together some kind of a dossier, some kind of proof that what the magazine is saying and what the magazine wrote has been confirmed by other news organizations saying this is not true. the president portraying himself as the victim here. again, taking after kelly and disparaging him, saying that he did not do a good job and that he wasn't able to function. he said that kelly got eaten alive and he went on and on about that and he couldn't seem to get away from the personal in that sense without coming out and defending himself on other

terms. you know, he said he helped the veterans, et cetera. he went and he turned on joe biden saying i watched the interviews today and you threw him softballs effectively, questions that were not meant for a grown up. i am not sure what he meant by that. but again, you know, seems very angry about this. and i don't know who else other than john kelly that he believes was the source for this, unless he believes the sources were manufactured which they were not. >> and brian, it was like he was giving you a plug during the news conference, referring to the atlantic magazine story as a hoax and saying it was just like the russia investigation and so on. >> he uses the word hoax in order to shut down conversations

but thankfully the press is asking statements. he says the atlantic is a third rate magazine that is not going to be in business much longer. that is factual untrue, the financials are stable and jeffrey is one of the most respected journalists in washington. all of that will be factored in when he has a lot of credibility and trump does not. it is notable that fox news has matched some of the reporting that the atlantic has had. fox's jennifer griffin reported that yes, the president did disparage veterans and didn't want to drive to the cemetery that day in france. they are going to run away from the story on the own network but fox hads it own reporting to back it up. this is one of the time when fox's reporting is important.

jim, i think it puts more pressure on the anonymous sources to come forward and think about whether or not they can put their names to the quotes. let see if john kelly confirms or denies. >> what stood out to you? there is a lot to fact check there. i didn't want to see a live picture of you listening to that. as a fact checker, that was tough. >> always is with the president, jim. the president said convalescent plasma is having a tremendous impact. as dr. fauci and others have said we do not have conclusive proof that is actually effective. the jury is very much still out. we do not have the proof of the poisoning of the russian opposition figure, the nato secretary said we have proof beyond a doubt. trump said joe biden wants to shut the down and has a plan for a blanket shutdown. biden hasn't said he wants to or

that he has a plan. he said that if there is a future crisis and if the scientists say to shut it down there, he would shut it down. he said we look good in terms of coronavirus numbers if we left aside new york. we would still have more than 150,000 deaths. one stitch of progress, because it is rare we see progress. the president lied more than 150 times he is the one that got the veterans choice health care passed. today in the briefing he amended the claim for the first time ever and said he got the v.a. mission act sign, a act that amended the program. a hint of progress but it is something. >> shows he is watching, daniel. we appreciate that, all of you. i want to get straight to dr. anthony fauci joining us now. dr. fauci, thank you so much for

joining us. before i get to the questions that we wanted to talk to you about, i have to ask you because the president has been mentioning this. i know you don't like to be put side by side in terms of what the president says but that we are rounding the corner in terms of the coronavirus. what do you make of that characterization? >> i am not sure what he means. certain states that are actually doing well in the sense that the case numbers are coming down. our concern is that there are a number of states like the dakotas, montana, michigan, minnesota and others who are starting to have an uptick in positive of testing. we want to be sure in the vulnerable states that are starting to show an uptick that

we abide by the public health mandate and rules that we are talking about all the time and not in essence have the same type of surges that we have seen following other holiday weekends like the fourth of july and memorial day. we really want to pay attention to that and hopefully people, particularly the younger people will pay attention to things like wearing a mask. avoiding close contact. avoiding crowds. doing whatever that you can possibly do outdoors as opposed to indoors. if we do that we should get through the weekend okay. >> that is absolutely critical. we are now seven months into the crisis as you know too well. i want to play for the viewers what you said in the early stages of this in march. >> looking at what we are seeing now, i would say 100,000 to 200,000 case but i don't want to be held to that because -- excuse me, deaths. we will have millions of cases. >> back in march, 200,000 deaths

was almost unimaginable and now the cdc expects to surpass that number in the next few weeks if the united states continues on this current track. what will the next six or seven months look like? it sounds nightmarish? >> pierre: it is disturbing, jim, as i said to you and others on the show multiple times we have to get our baseline back to a much lower level. we are hovering around 40,000 cases per day. we were hanging around 20,000 for several weeks in a row and then we had the surge in the southern states, florida, texas, california, arizona and went up to 70,000. down now to 40. if you go to a low baseline and get cases that occur you can handle them and get good identification isolation and

contact tracing. when you have community spread it makes it that much more difficult. i keep saying over and over that we have to be careful as we enter this holiday weekend. >> absolutely. the president now repeated that if we had much less or no testing you would not be reporting cases. that you talked to him about this? does he not understand if you don't test the cases still exist? >> you know i have not specifically spoken to the president about that. but i think it is very clear in the white house how i feel and how people like dr. birx feels. it is really important to do the types of testing we are talking about. these are indeed new cases. the reason we know that, when you have the increase in cases it is followed by increase in hospitalization and increase in deaths.

that is the real bottom line. the critical issue is the percent positives of the tests that you do and we are starting to see an uptick in that in certain areas. that is where we call out to the governors and leaders of the states to pay attention because it can be a predictor of surges we try to avoid. >> dr. fauci, i want to ask you about the model by the university of washington. this new model estimates the u.s. death toll could surpass 400,000 by january 2021. that is a stunning number. the researchers behind the model say they are seeing declining mask use. is that what you are seeing? what do you make of that

estimate? >> you have to be careful of models. the model got that high, 410,000 by january. that is taking in the factor that as we get in to the fall and to the winter there will be a lot more indoor activity opposed to outdoor activity. if you combine it with the lack of uniform utilization of masks, then you can start to really get in to trouble. that is why we say right now outdoor is better than indoor. when you get into the cold of the late fall and early winter sometimes it is impossible. if you are going to do it indoors you really need to wear a mask. that model, you know, if we don't have very, very strong pronounced utilization of masks, almost uniformly, you can get into the same trouble we are predicting. namely a considerable amount of cases. in this case we are talking

about 410,000 deaths, which i surely hope we don't even approach that. >> do you think that it is possible? >> of course it is possible. you know, we have done these dances as it were with the models back and forth. you pull out the assumption, another thing happened. the models are youthful because if you do a lot of indoor activity and don't utilize masks to the utmost you will likely get to the number. we can mitigate. that models are good to give you an idea of what you can expect. to me it is a good heads up saying we don't want to get to that number. so what are we going to do to prevent us from getting to that number? it may be a nudge for us to realize that we can do something to stop that.

one of the things that we can do, as you mentioned, a more uniform utilization of masks. >> numerous sources are telling us that the president is ramping up pressure on health officials to deliver good news on the vaccine front ahead of the election. president trump said we will probably have the vaccine sometime in october. the head of operation warp speed said he would resign if he saw undue interference in the process. would you do the same? >> i am not a regulator. i just do the science. i report the science in an accurate way. certainly if i saw interference i would be very disturbed and i would call it out. i am assuming we will not get any interference.

>> a lot of what we are talking about is transparency. when the data comes in on the vaccine results, you know, they come in to the data and the safety monitoring board, an independent group of people who evaluate the data and the safety of it and report on this. this ultimately becomes public knowledge anyway. i have faith in the system that the fda will do what they promise. they promise they make decisions on a regulatory basis purely on the basis of the science and the evidence. i am counting on them to do that. >> we have now seen data on russia's vaccine that produced an immune response and only mild side-effects. you said you seriously doubt russia produced a safe vaccine. do you still have doubts after seeing the new data? >> no. i think we need to remove the

confusion about this. the thing that concerns me and others when they said that they have a vaccine they will be giving to a whole bunch of people. i said first you better prove that it is safe and effective before you make a decision to distribute the vaccine widely. what the russians have done is a correct thing. they did a two-part phase 1 study in 40 people. they found it was safe and induced a reasonable immune response. i congratulate themmol th on th. that is what they should be doing. i really hope they have a vaccine that works. we need as many that we can get into the system. >> absolutely. i want to ask you about the health effects of evictions. i don't know if you have seen this story but one of our

colleagues at cnn did a moving report on a family with two young kids being evicted and older woman that was going to be put out on the street. what are the possible health effects of evictions during the middle of a pandemic? it is not something we talked about enough. >> any disruptionings of a person's life could be connected to public health. when you evict somebody, we know how vulnerable the homeless are to so many things like covid infection of the coronavirus. we don't want to see a lot of people that wouldn't have been homeless now to be homeless.

what activities would you give your stamp of approval to if i need dr. fauci's blessing on the activity. what activity would it be. outdoor barbecues, hiking. >> it would be outdoors. go out on a trail. breathe the fresh air. enjoy the warm weather. if you are going to be on the beach, beaches are fine. as long as you try to get distance between yourself and others. people can easily separate yourself from others. just try to do outdoor activities. don't make it a large crowd. a couple of friends that you are connected with, good friends, you have a barbecue, you do the things that you want to do. stay outside. do the things where if you are going to be close to people that you can't keep distance. wear a mask. wash your hands frequently.

you know, do things outdoors. we are fortunate that we are still in a season where we can enjoy things outdoors. this would be a good weekend for everyone without putting yourself into the danger of acquiring or transmitting infection. >> how would you be spending the labor day weekend? >> i will be working unfortunately, jim. i have a bunch of work i need to do. but i am going to go on a long hike with my wife. i enjoy that very much and i might go down to the canal and maybe put a fishing line into the water and see what i can catch. >> how is your health? you recently had surgery on the vocal chords. i can tell the difference. are you feeling better now? >> i feel great. i got a couple of e-mails from people saying they heard me on

the radio or tv and couldn't believe it was me because i don't sound like vito corleon anymore i sound like anthony fauci. >> i know how personal life is going and how your family is dealing with all of this. there have been rough moments along the way. how are things going now for you and your family? >> i am doing fine, jim. i have a great family. my wife is amazing. my children are very strong. the things haven't gotten better with regard to the hassles from the far extreme people that make threats both to me, family, wife and daughters. i don't mind them doing it to me. i don't care. but i don't like to see my wife and children being hassled. but that is a nature of the society. part of the facts of life,

unfortunate but part of the facts of life. >> you can't work all the time, dr. fauci. we know you like to work but you can't do it around the clock or it catches up with you as we all know. we appreciate you hanging in there. there was other news developing during the first part of the hour. dr. fauci, thank you so much for joining us. hope you stay safe as well. we appreciate it. >> yeah. you too jim. thank you for having me. i appreciate it. >> you too. coming up, a former defense secretary joins me. i will get his reaction to president trump's insulting comments.

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tonight more fall out about a truly stunning report about president trump's apparent disdain for fallen american troops. for more i want to bring in the former defense secretary chuck hagel. thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. i want to get your treereaction the reporting in the atlantic that president trump called fallen troops losers and suckers and dispare aaged wounded veter. you saw what the president said about the former chief of staff, retired general, john kelly. seemed to say he didn't do a good job. he was exhausted on the way out. sort of mocked his reputation as being a tough guy and so on. what did you think of that? >> jim, thank you for having me.

i did see it. it was disgusting. if this wasn't so serious, if this wasn't coming from the commander in chief of the united states of new york say this about a four-star general, he and his family committed their lives to this country. given a son to this country in battle. to say that is degrading and despicable and there is no defense of it. there is no defense of what he has said about general kelly. i worked with general kelly as secretary of defense. no more honorable man than john kelly. no more of a patriot committed to this country than john kelly. >> so, do you believe what the atlantic is reporting about the president's comments about fallen troops being losers and suckers and so on? >> well, jim, like all things i have to refer back to what the president himself has said to

validate what the article said. starting with what he said about john mccain over the years. he was given the chance to rescind the statements today, a few minutes ago and he wouldn't. the issue in the 2018, going to the american military cemetery in france. that is b.s. every one of the leaders that were there, leader of germany, france, canada and others, they drove to honor u.s. marines for what they did in world war ii. him taking almost $4 billion out of defense contracting moneys that were going to build schools and hospitals and facilities for the american troops and their families, made a whole list of things he has done to deface our military. if it wasn't so serious, jim, it would be like a clown show.

like a daily clown show. i saw bill cohen's comments earlier in the last hour with you. when he talked about how the united states has fallen in the eyes of the world, how we have post world war ii been a leader and we were respected for our values and morals. we have made a lot of mistakes but they knew they could count on us and on a president that said the right things, although we all disagreed with different actions. but we lost that. i think that is the bigger story. this atlantic story, it focuses on the debasement of our veterans and our men and women who have given themselves to this country. it is really astounding. >> i sense the passion coming out of your voice. we heard the same from the former secretary william cohen. what is it about the story, and

what is it about this subject that so concerns people in the military community, people like yourself and concern is not really a strong enough word. you get the sense that there are people in the military community that are just outraged by the president's behavior, and what has been reported in the atlantic magazine. >> well, jim, part of my reaction is not just as the former secretary of defense, the leader of our armed forces in america and a former united states senator, but more to the point that i am a veteran myself. my brother tom and i served together in vietnam in 1968. we served with and met the finest people we have ever known in our lives, their families, everything they represent. that is where i start. but then to your more general question he has used the military for three and a half years. he used them as props.

props for his campaigns. every time that he announces something, he always uses it as props. what he did in washington d.c. when he brought in an airborne division, camped outside of washington d.c. everything that he uses, he uses our military. he uses our people. he uses our tradition in the military of service. i don't know if every one of those comments in the atlantic magazine was correct. i don't know. i would say this about those that evidently made those comments to mr. goldberg, who is a very respected journalist, and i know him. it is their time now to step forward and use their names. quit enabling this guy. come on. show some courage. do you have any courage at all. it is easy to say things when it is anonymous, nobody is using your name. not so easy when you have to step out in front.

now is the time to do this or i fear another four years, not only what he is doing to our military but what he is doing to the country. >> all right. former defense secretary chuck hagel calling out those sources to come forward and say what they know. secretary hagel, strong comments. we appreciate it. just ahead, joe biden, a new interview to cnn and we will bring you much more after a quick break. now is the time for a new bath from bath fitter.

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presidential campaign is heating up. as the summer winds down the biden campaign made the first trip outside the northeast since the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic. gloria, we definitely saw a shift in joe biden's campaign this week. he was traveling out of the state of delaware, out of the philadelphia area, he took more questions than he has previously. >> right. >> and the campaign is starting to feel the heat as we get closer to election day. this is certainly a new phase. >> it is a new phase. i think you saw biden go to kenosha. you saw biden have a press conference today responding to the "atlantic" article and talking about the economy. i think they're trying to get the vice president out there and

kamala harris out there in a safe way. they're not going to be having large rallies. they're going to be encouraging people to wear a mask. they do believe voters want to see you in their state and make the effort to get out there and show they really want their votes. >> i want to play a vote for our viewers of your new documentary. >> thank you. >> let's watch and talk on the other side. >> while the president tried to help his son, the son tried to help his father. >> i actually believe and i'll believe it to the day i die was the thing that beau was not most afraid of is dying. what he was most afraid of was the impact it would have on his dad, that it would take his dad out. >> did he tell you that? >> oh yeah acti, oh yeah, all t time. >> it's something the vice president wrote about in his book "promise me, dad." >> beau just made me promise --

this was just before he died -- he said, dad, you've got to promise me you'll be okay. he said, dad look at me, look me in the eye, dad, give me your word as a biden dad, you're gonna -- you're gone being okay. >> are you okay? >> i am because it is still emotional, but i knew what he meant. he was worried i would walk away from everything i had worked in my whole life, the things i had cared about. he knew i would take care of the family. he never wondered about that, but he didn't want me walking away. >> forward march. >> beau biden died on may 30th, 2015. he was 46 years old. >> is it true you keep beau's rosary with you. >> i've got it in my pocket. >> all the time? >> i keep it all the time. he had it when he passed away.

it was more gold. you can see it's worn. >> and gloria, what struck you from your conversation with joe biden? that was definitely an emotional moment there. >> it was. i mean, what struck me from the vice president and all the reporting and the people we interviewed on this piece is that this is a man who's been in public life one way or another for almost five decades. and when you look back on it, here's a guy who started as the candidate of change, jim, when he was 29 years old in 1972. he was running for a seat in the senate. nobody thought he could win. he wasn't even old enough to serve in the senate at that time because of course you have to be 30. he was audacious and ar gantt. he tried and beat a popular republican incumbent. you see all these years later

and all he's been through in his life, not only the tragedy with beau, but losing his wife and baby daughter in that car accident right after he got elected to that senate seat. after all he's been through, he's still working at it. he told me, look, i wouldn't have run if it weren't for charlottesville and the way the president reacted to that, but he somehow felt that he needed to do it. when i talked to his friends and people who have known him for years, they somehow have this sense that the empathy we talk about with joe biden is something that the country might need right now, and that he is the polar opposite, of course, of donald trump. >> that is so true. and beau biden's service in the military, how much do you think that influenced joe biden's outrage over that story in "the atlantic. >> a lot. you heard him say today my son

was an attorney general and he did this because he loves his country. so, what did you saw from biden today was a very visceral reaction to what is reported in the atlantic. so, it wasn't just -- it wasn't just that, you know, that it was disgraceful, true. there was a kind of emotional part of him which said, wait a minute, this is my son, who was in iraq. this is my son who served. what if he had died there, how would i have felt if my son were one of those who had fallen. so, i think you -- you know, biden is an emotional guy. he's emotional about his family. in this documentary, i ask him about his sister, and he kind of tears up talking about his sister who's run almost every campaign he's ever been in. and he's so emotional about beau and his grief over that. and i think we saw that today. >> all right, gloria borger, we are looking forward to this documentary coming up.

>> thank you. >> thanks so much for laying it out for us. we appreciate it. be sure to tune in this coming monday at 8:00 p.m. eastern for our cnn special report gloria just talked about "fight for the white house: joe biden's long journey." before we leave you we want to take a moment to remember some of the people we've lost to the coronavirus pandemic. bobby ann huff of indiana was 73 years old. he was a strong and funny woman who leaves behind three children and seven grandchildren. she became a special educator. mn ma ham med of new york was originally from trinidad. he was a loving father and grandfather who enjoying taking road trips with his family. may they rest in peace and may all of the people who have been taken by this terrible virus also rest in peace. we're thinking of all of them

this labor day weekend. have a staf labor day weekend. wear your mask. stay safe. listen to dr. fauci. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, breaking news president trump claims the u.s. is rounding the corner when it comes to the deadly pandemic. an influential model now predicts the u.s. death toll could top 410,000 by the end of the year. plus angry and defensive. the president denying a report he called fallen soldiers losers and lusuckers. his defense doesn't add up. who is behind kanye west's presidential run? good evening. welcome to a special edition of "outfront." breaking news, president trump ignoring the reality of the pandemic. just moments ago suggesting that the u.s. is